Mr. Jones, have you now stooped to impersonation and lies to try and make your point?

And I’m also looking for civility. I think you are now aware that I can and will delete rude and insulting posts. Go call people names on your own blog.

So I guess it’s OK for you to cast aspersions towards those who don’t share your belief in Charlene Blake’s charades, and you get pissed off when the truth comes back about your misguided faith in a phony?
That speaks to a self serving arrogance and a holier than thou mindset..

Setting aside the issue of forgery by Ms. Blake, you also seem to be of the opinion that every signature on the petition must be individually verified. I’m sorry, but no; that’s not the significance of the petition. There are no petitions I could find, for example, calling on Honda to fix problems in their vehicles (evidently because Honda fixes its problems without hassling people). People don’t set up or sign petitions for things they don’t think are problems.

(Now, if you can prove that quote from Ms. Blake, then yes, there is a problem. If you can find it, I’ll update the main post to cite your evidence. See, I really do respond to evidence, even if the insults piss me off.)

Moreover, you don’t address the fact that we’ve got more than an online petition supporting the Toyota engine issue. Certainly you aren’t calling USA Today “ignorant”, are you? Or the Center for Auto Safety? Or Consumer Affairs? You might be right about assuming too much from merely an online petition, but it’s never been my only support. I note that you claim me to be “blind” and “stupid” for believing the petition, but have nothing to say about the other articles.

First, over two hundred and fifty signatures are “deleted” for some unknown reason in that petition. There are “Signature numbers” attached to blank spaces throughout the petition.
Therefore the quoted “total” number of signatures alledged to be there (claimed as “over 1000!!) is overstated by at least a factor of 250.
Second, not one of the stories, posts, or accounts in that petition has been proven or substantiated in any way. It is just a list of anonymous “hits”, with no way of knowing if they are the work of just a few individuals. Blame is always focussed on the automaker–never on the individual. Reality?? Not on your life!! Fiction for the most part?? Probability is high!!
Third, Charlene Blake has already stated publicly that she has transposed names from other sites and added names to the petition WITHOUT approval or knowledge of the original author.

So if you think I am merely “disagreeeing” with you , it’s much more than that. I can PROVE my contentions with facts. You cannot dispute them with factual rebuttal, just invective and threats–such as “If you don’t agree with me, I’ll remove your comments.”

That’s called an ad hominem attack, and is a logical fallacy. Around here, we expect people to actually provide evidence for their claims. I have provided mine; where’s yours?

To help you out, here are the two things I asked for before:

Proof for your claims that a majority of the signatures on the petition are either fraudulent or have been withdrawn.
An assessment of exactly what standard of identity you expect an online petition to have before it can be considered credible.

That should do for starters. If you have better evidence, though, by all means share it. Any evidence would be an improvement over what you’ve been shoveling so far.

And I will warn you: any more insults and name-calling will be edited out, at my pleasure.